Kevin Casey

Account Director and some other wild titles

14 (un)conventional principles to reduce sales anxiety & increase sales.→ (un)selling® → the book → the page has turned.

READ THIS FIRST: 

I don’t teach pressure, convincing, or chasing. 
If that’s what you want, I’m not your guy.
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You didn't leave your corporate job to spend Sunday nights rewriting follow-up emails.

You left for freedom. For flexibility. For dinner with your kids without replaying a blown sales call in your head.

But somewhere along the way, "running your own business" turned into a second job you never wanted:
Salesperson.

The chasing. The "just checking in" emails. The proposals that disappear into silence. The pit in your stomach before every money conversation.

You're not broken. You're just using a playbook that was never built for people like you.

Here's what I know:

→ I grew my first agency from a kitchen table to $5M+ using zero cold calls.
→Then I tripled the market value of an insurance brokerage by teaching the team how to sell like humans — not robots.

Now I help kitchen-table entrepreneurs who are great at what they do but exhausted by the chase.

No pressure tactics. No fake urgency. No pretending to be someone you're not.

Just a way to land clients that doesn't make you hate yourself.

I'm not your guy if:

You want boiler-room tactics
You're looking for "one call close" scripts
You think sales is about convincing people

I am your guy if:

You'd rather attract than chase
You want to sell without selling out
You're done replaying conversations at 2am wondering what you said wrong

Want a taste?

Join 3,000+ kitchen-table entrepreneurs getting my free "Sunday Espresso Shots" at www.kevincasey.ca/unselling

Or grab my best-selling book (un)selling — it's the playbook I wish I had 20 years ago.

Partner

Got my ass handed to me today. 

Feels great.

One of my favorite (un)selling students just lapped me.

Not figuratively. Like… actually lapped me. 

By a mile. Maybe a thousand miles.

Here’s the story:

Jeremy, in the shadows, helped me launch my book in 2023. 

Then rescued me from all the techie crap — building my email list, setting up systems, the stuff I’m useless at. 

The truth is I can’t even get my microwave to stop flashing 12:00.

In exchange, I taught him the sales stuff that took me 20 years to figure out.

He applied every bit of it with a consistency I’ve never had.

Now he’s clearing numbers most people only dream about.

And straight up:

I couldn’t be prouder.👏👏

This is the thing nobody tells you about teaching what you know:

The best students don’t just learn your lessons.

They take your 20 years and compress it into 2 years. 

Doing > IQ’ing. 

Then they leave you in the dust.

And if you’re doing it right, that doesn’t sting.

It’s the whole point.

Congrats Jeremy Bennett 
 
So damn happy for you and your family.

Kevin  Casey 

You built a business. Ended up with a second job you hate: Salesperson. You can sell without begging, chasing, or hating yourself after. | Best-Selling Author of (un)selling

The podcast just turned 2 years old! 🎉

And look what happened👇

Kevin Casey was my very first guest.
Thanks for taking that leap with me my friend.
You completely changed how I do business. Grateful 🙏🏻 

The show started off as a local show.
Then it grew to Atlantic Canada.
And then...global.

About a year later LInkedIn giant Jasmin Alić came on.
And since then, everything changed.
Grateful for you my friend.

Within the same time frame, I had titans like:

→ Richard van der Blom 
→ Lara Acosta 
→ Fatima Khan 
→ Charlie Hills 🦩 
→ Ruben Hassid 

And so many more.

Then it turned into a full-time career.
Five business titans every week.
And I feel blessed every day.

Then the partners came:

Link Up
↳ Simply the best community out there. 

AuthoredUp 
↳ I remember the first time I heard about AuthoredUp, it was during an interview where Chris Do was talking with Jasmin, and Jasmin spoke very highly of it and strongly recommended it. And now...partner :) 

Richard's van der Blom’s Just Connecting - Social Selling, Employee Advocacy and Marketing 
↳ So incredibly honoured! Wow!

Pinch me.

Two years.
400+ episodes.
Hundreds of conversations.

To everyone who supports this show:

Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Without you, this show certainly wouldn't exist.

Forever thankful. ❤️

What's been your favorite episode?
Who would you like to see on the show?
Let me know in the comments. 🙏🏻 

P.S. Wait until you see who's coming up! 🤩

You love what you do. You hate selling. 

So you skip the sleazy stuff. Good. 

But there's a sneaky mistake you're probably still making and it's tanking your conversations before they start. 

I call it unconscious commission breath. 

65 seconds. 

I know that's an eternity if you're 19. You're not.

#unselling

Product pushers chase.

Problem solvers attract.

(Everyone nods. Very few do) 


#unselling

Prospect barks "sh*t, this is a ton of questions." 

You say...

#unselling

Tom Hanks wasn't born an actor. He became one.

Michael Jordan wasn't born a legend. He earned it.

Reps. Practice. Failure. More reps.

So why do we think selling is different? 

That you either "have it" or you don't?

55 seconds. Not a TikTok dance. Actual grown-up stuff.

#unselling

Big words don't make you look smart.

They make you look like you're hiding something.

Simple sells. Jargon repels.

I call it the "5 cent word" rule and it's one of the easiest fixes in selling with dignity. 

#unselling

P.S. This clip lifted from a conversation with Fred Copestake.
Brilliant sales brain. 
Terrible name for a superhero.

❌ "Be totally upfront. This is a sales call. Do you want to hang up now or give me 27 seconds and then decide?"

Pssst 🤫…

That stopped being a pattern interrupt about 47,000 YouTube videos ago.

My mom turned 90 last Sunday.

If you called her with this line, she'd pause, sigh, and in the sweetest voice imaginable say:

"Oh honey. Did reading that off your script make you feel powerful? Or did your soul leave your body a little?"

Then she'd hang up. Gently. Because she was raised right.

Yesterday's pattern interrupt is tomorrow's worn-out line. 

*Benjamin Dennehy can still pull it off. 
But let's be real here.
You're not Benjamin. 
I'm not Benjamin.  
 
#unselling

p.s. Two ways to see if I know what I'm talking about:
→ Free (skeptics): https://lnkd.in/ea3wZaep 
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(un)selling: 14 (un)conventional principles to reduce sales anxiety and increase sales

B2B SEO & Web Design For Revenue Not Vanity | DM To Discuss | Host @ Business Growth Show (Top 10 B2B Marketing Podcast, Cognism)

Your website struggling to drive a steady flow of qualified demos/leads?
Tired of losing leads to competitors ranking higher on Google/AI?
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0-$6.7M ARR under 2yrs. Fully boostrapped. Adam Robinson leaked his full SaaS growth framework in 34mins. Now its yours:

Adam and I don’t do fluff.

You’re about to learn: 

- The secrets to building epic products
- RB2B weird insane strategy for growth 
- Where Adam took inspiration from
- The framework so you can copy it
- How he’s diversifying to hit 10M ARR+ 

SaaS marketers and founders, hit 2026 with a bang.

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Founder @ Breaking B2B | B2B SEO For Revenue Not Vanity | SaaS & B2B Teams Hire Us To Scale Organic Pipeline From Google & AI Search | DM To Discuss | Host @ Breaking B2B (Top 2.5% B2B Marketing Podcast)

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Fibbler got recommended by AI search just weeks after we started SEO/AEO. Now Adam has prospects mentioning it on demo calls. Here’s how we did it:

SEO doesn’t have to take 12 months.

There's money to be made in 90 days.  

Competitor content is one of many winner for quick AI and organic search impact, sign-ups and demos.

This is one of the first places we start on a program. 

These terms are low difficulty and can rank super fast.

List out the competitors your customers often evaluate, or move over to you from.

Then look at terms like:

[competitor] alternatives
[competitor] reviews
[competitor] pricing
[competitor 1] vs [competitor 2] vs [you]

Right now, listicle based articles rank exceptionally well on google and AI search.

Position your solution as the top choice (backed by customer research), showing your product in action + social proof along with where you're a strong/poor fit. 

Then a fair comparison of other vendors.

Not only can you get fast bottom funnel visibility.

You can control the narrative in LLMs and Google.

And drive pipeline from high intent prospects frustrated with their current vendor or evaluating options.

PS. grab my 90 days to revenue SEO/AEO playbook and video course: https://lnkd.in/et7yce7s

RB2B nearly hit $7M ARR. We run their SEO/AEO engine at Breaking B2B. Next up $10M ARR. Here's our January battle-plan for Adam Robinson SaaS:

HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW.

The mission? Drive high intent sign-ups as quick as humanly possible from google organic and AI searches.

This month we've found more competitor-focused pricing page opportunities with healthy search volume. 

For example, “Instantly pricing” generates 3,000+ monthly high-intent searches, showing prospects actively evaluating costs and purchase options. Third-party pricing pages (in addition to Instantly’s own site) are already capturing a meaningful share of this traffic, which signals clear opportunity to compete and drive inbound with a well-optimized pricing page.

And a bunch of other pricing-related pages with consistent search demand, strong buyer intent. Solid for organic acquisition.

We’re crafting a product listicle for “Cognism alternatives.” This keyword attracts solid monthly traffic and has low difficulty, with strong opportunity to rank and capture users who are in the consideration stage and actively comparing software.

NET NEW CONTENT.

pricing articles:
- Instantly pricing (3.1k searches/mo)
- Cognism pricing (1.2k/mo)
- Clearbit pricing (1k/mo)
- Uplead pricing (500/mo)
- Leadinfo pricing (400/mo)

these pages review the software pricing, share user feedback, breakdown of costs and share where RB2B is differentiated and why customers choose them. plus they often rank well within 90 days.

alternative listicle:
- Cognism alternatives (400/mo)

aq quick summary and intro, why listen to us, what is cognism, why look into alternatives (based on what prospects say e.g. on G2), list of 12 alternatives, RB2B at #1 with why customers choose them, show product in action, pricing and feature info, where they are good + poor fit then list of 11 other options below with fair summary + conclusion and FAQs.

listicle and alternative/competitor content on your own site is solid for being cited and recommend in AI search and enables you to control the narrative with dream clients on ChatGPT and google ai overviews.

EARN BACKLINKS (DA50+).

- free b2b lead generation software
- lusha vs zoominfo
- zoominfo vs uplead

EXTERNAL LISTICLE PLACEMENTS.

- best data enrichment tools x 3 
top 3 placements in 3 niche relevant external listicle articles.

solid to ramp AI search visibility and mentions.
plus can get direct inbound.
and the backlink.

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Wanna see if we can scale demos quick as 90 days for your B2B/SaaS?

Visit the Breaking B2B site to check our results, pricing and grab a call.

Watch my 34-minute SEO/AEO breakdown video for RB2B below 👇

Proposify had good SEO before partnering with Breaking B2B. We crafted a strategy and execution taking demos, AI and organic visibility to the next level 👇 

#1 for "quoting software" in the USA - Top organic position for this money keyword, appearing above competitors in standard results and AI Overview.

#1 for "proposal software" in the USA - Top organic position for another critical solution keyword.

68% more clicks from competitor pages (prospects comparing vendors or looking to switch).

AI search visitors up by 91%
Engaged sessions up by 20%

Longer term conversions are stable, starting to see big spikes in organic demo requests on shorter timelines:

Last 1 weeks demos vs previous period: +115%.
Last 2 weeks demos vs previous period: +72%.

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Cheers to Kyle Racki and Jennifer Faulkner for the review.

See our results, pricing and book a call: https://lnkd.in/eT_F8zZB

You're being lied to about SEO & AEO
(The myth: SEO traffic is down 25%+)
Juicy research hot off the press.
Per similarweb and graphite 👇 

You've probably seen the headlines claiming organic traffic has dropped anywhere from 25% to 60%.

These numbers are based on flawed research methods, mostly surveys and often small sample sizes of 10-20 websites.

The problem with surveys is that human memory is unreliable, and people who respond to surveys about AI adoption tend to be early adopters who use LLMs more than average.

So the data gets skewed.

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Here's what the actual numbers show

Graphite partnered with Similarweb to analyze over 40,000 of the largest sites in the US.

Here's what the analysis revealed...

SEO traffic is down only 2.5% year over year, not 25%.

That's an overestimation by 1,000% in a lot of the studies floating around
And this aligns with what Google themselves said in August 2025, that overall organic click volume has been "relatively stable year-over-year".

Visits to search engines actually increased in 2025.

Traffic to search engines went up 6.9% from 2019 to 2020

Decreased slightly in 2022 by about 1.5%

And has been relatively flat since 2023

In fact, traffic increased slightly in 2025 to both Google at plus 0.8% and search engines as a whole at plus 0.4%

Visitors to Google grew by 1.35% comparing Q4 2025 versus Q4 2024

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Google is still a demand capture beast

Per earlier research from Datos and Sparktoro, Google processes over 14 billion searches every day.

ChatGPT handles about 37.5 million search-like prompts daily

That means Google receives 373 times more searches than ChatGPT

Even if you combined the daily prompts across ChatGPT, Perplexity, Claude, Copilot, and Gemini, the total would still be under 2% of the search market
Google maintains a 93.57% market share of search.

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Dropping the report along with my 90 days to revenue SEO/AEO playbook & video course below 👇

RB2B are on the road to $10M ARR. 6mos ago we fired up their SEO/AEO engine. How did Adam Robinson describe working w/ Breaking B2B? BANANAS. Full breakdown below:

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90-day non-branded clicks up 43% (4,270 vs 2,980) on 1.36m total impressions … which were only up 8%. 

So, SEO is driving LOTS of clicks

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Engaged sessions are up from 33k to 62k (+90%) … on total sessions only rising 11%, from 77k to 86k.. 

So, SEO is driving LOTS of engagement.

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We’re winning on 164 high-value keywords (+270%), whereas we were only winning on 44 when we started. 

So, SEO is driving LOTS of targeted pageviews.

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Traffic is up 50% from keywords that both rank well AND drive signups: 

- website visitor identification
- website visitor tracking
- identify b2b website visitors
- b2b website visitor tracking
- b2b website visitor tracking software
- leadfeeder alternatives
- clearbit alternatives
- many more

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And for icing on the cake, organic traffic hitting the signup page is +201% of the past 3mo, and 27-35% of those visitors are signing up for RB2B. 

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Check our pricing, results or grab a call: https://lnkd.in/e7XuM6au
 
Watch my full RB2B SEO strategy breakdown vid: https://lnkd.in/eiZfaXXq

Breaking B2B was invisible on AI search 120 days ago. Now we’re often top. Stop giving SaaS competitors a free lunch on ChatGPT & Google. Here’s the fix:

QUICK WINS.

Start where you win already (commercial bottom funnel pages typically listicle articles, landing pages, comparison pages, competitor content etc) update these, making them best in class to blow the competition out the water at every angle.

BUILD THE MOAT.

Build a moat like no other on your site. (cover all pages across industries, product, features, pricing, documentation, competitors, use cases etc. each covering all ICPs jobs to be done, Qs etc).

Craft and improve with add unique stats, data, research, social proof and date updates on blog articles.

AEO/SEO CHEATCODE.

The cheat code for LLMs (listicles) build all relevant “best X software/platform/tools” listicle article on your own site.

Then outreach or leverage partners to get your brand featured on well ranking niche relevant  external site listicles in top 3 placements.

This was a huge part of how we got Breaking B2B mentioned regularly in AI searches (and classic google organic rankings for pipeline driving keywords).

LEVERAGE PAST MEDIA.

Leverage past media such as your founders appearances on podcasts, interviews, press and more. Head to - ahrefs > backlinks on media/pages that only point to an execs linkedin profile, ask the author of the page for a brand mention and backlink.

CONTROL THE NARRATIVE.

Ecosystem marketing FTW. Based on where you have resource. Control the narrative where folks search around your niche and compare options.

Redddit, YouTube and beyond.

Right now, SEO/youtube/linkedin is a killer trio working together to drive booked calls for us at Breaking B2B.

SPEED BEATS GIANTS.

Enterprise orgs move slow, they have layers of approvals and a lot of red tape.

This is your advantage as a fast moving mid or startup company.

Publishing and doing above at speed can steal market share over time, especially in undeserved niches.

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Grab my free 90 days to revenue SEO/AEO video course: https://lnkd.in/et7yce7s

I’m 35 today.

So here’s a list you didn’t ask for: 

1. Family > all

2. Don’t wait until new year to start something

3. Hard work still goes a long way

4. Putting some pressure on isn’t always bad

5. Take time out to enjoy w/ fam and friends

6. Most emails that say urgent aren’t

7. Don’t need to start emails w/ hope you're well

8. Transparency wins

9. A website is your best or worst salesperson

10. Many companies still underestimate SEO/AEO

11. Bootstrapping a co. is tough but fun

12. Daily habits & activities are a winner for biz

13. Podcasts while driving = free university

14. Build something on the side and get paid 

15. Learn from those who’ve actually done it

16. Learn to sell, then learn to market

17. Fitness is medicine for the mind

18. I’m not for everyone

19. Some will, some won’t, so what, next.

20. Outbound is alive

21. SEO died in 1973. JK it's alive in b2b.

22. Everyone talks a good game on LinkedIn

23. Personal brand is great but not everything

24. Don’t rely on one marketing channel

25. Experimentation FTW in marketing

26. Have marketing channels you own and rent

27. Hire people smarter than you 

28. Don’t be tight 

29. Likes and shares don’t pay bills

30. It ain’t sold until cash hits the bank

31. Stay humble 

32. Lists are dead

33. God is good

34. Cheers 🍺

35. Your B2B/SaaS struggling to drive pipeline from SEO & AI search? I hear Breaking B2B are decent.

I just told a $1M ARR SaaS founder not to invest in SEO yet.

He was ready to spend $20k with us and already trusted us as had been following the Breaking B2B newsletter for years. 

Weirdly on paper their solution looked great for SEO & AI search.

Prospects were searching for their solution.

There is active demand to capture with search.

Quick wins from competitor focused content that could drive demos as fast as 90 days.

This issue?

Up to now they’d grown from outbound sales and proven that model works for their $60k+ ACV.

They’d never done SEO before.

And didn’t have the runway to keep SEO running with us for 6 months plus.

So I recommended they kept ramping the outbound model until they have runway to make SEO a longer term bet with us 

Rather than a couple months and chasing us for results and everyone getting frustrated.

And we’ll likely chat again in a few months when the timing makes sense.

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AEO “experts”: Chunk up your content
Leader at Google: Don’t do it mate. 

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From Googles Danny Sullivan last week:

“One of the things I keep seeing over and over in some of the advice and guidance and people are trying to figure out what do we do with the LLMs or whatever, is that turn your content into bite-sized chunks, because LLMs like things that are really bite size, right?
So we don't want you to do that. I was talking to some engineers about that. We don't want you to do that. We really don't. We don't want people to have to be crafting anything for Search specifically. That's never been where we've been at and we still continue to be that way. We really don't want you to think you need to be doing that or produce two versions of your content, one for the LLM and one for the net.”

“…So you've gone through all this effort. You've made all these things that you did specifically for a ranking system, not for a human, being because you were trying to be more successful in the ranking system, not staying focused on the human being. And then the systems improve, probably the way the systems always try to improve, to reward content written for humans. All that stuff that you did to please this LLM system that may or may not have worked, may not carry through for the long term.”

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I even got sucked into it when AI search first started rolling out. 

Thinking putting content into bitesize sections and over optimising for AI agents to read easily was the play.

Then remembered most of our B2B/SaaS clients are selling complex products with long sales cycles to multiple stakeholders.

Which is why we place huge emphasis on researching dream clients, their struggling moments, jobs to be done, motivations, competitors they evaluate, why they choose you, differentiators in the market place and beyond.

To not just rank and be mentioned & cited in Google organic and AI searches but resonate with target buyers. 

If you don’t resonate you won’t convert.

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Grab my 90 days to revenue SEO/AEO free playbook & video course: https://lnkd.in/et7yce7s

Gurus love screaming SEOs dead and AEOs a brand new playbook. It’s not. Here’s 10 steps to drive demos in 90 days (share with your CMO):

1. Nail your MONEY keywords.

Map out every way a dream client could search for your solution when ready to speak to sales now.

At a high level in SaaS that’s:

“best X software/tools/platform”
“X for industry”
“competitor alternatives/pricing/reviews”
“competitor a vs competitor b (vs you)”

And a variety of others.

Ignore the top funnel traffic trap.

Prioritise lower search volume and low difficulty at the bottom of the sales funnel.

This is gonna rank and drive leads fast when done right.

We have ranked competitor fast as 4 days top of Google and AI search. 

2. Build & upgrade your money pages. 

Search your money keywords on Google & LLMs and see what kind of content shows up or gets cited.

Is it a listicle article, landing page, jobs to be done article, or something else.

See if you have pages ranking page 1 but not top for a quick win with a refresh.

3. Blow ‘em out the water. 

Once you’ve researched what top-ranking pages are doing, figure out how to blow them out of the water. 

Leverage customer research, sales call Qs, plenty of social proof and feature ypur product as the painkiller and solution.

LLMs love fresh content and unique research. Keep your commercial, money pages up to date.

4. Most technical SEO is BS.

(Until you get to having 1000s of pages).

Sort any massive technical issues, but don’t obsess over technical SEO. Get your focus keyword in URL, meta data, H1 and sort some internal links. Sort structured data. Not a tonne more needed. 

And you of course want quick loading times.

5. Brand mentions and links at $0 FTW.

Build quality backlinks & brand mentions for $0. 

Get featured in podcasts and articles, and make sure they link back to your website. 

Earn/trade top 3 placements & brand mentions from “Best X software” listicles for your category.

This gives you an insane boost in LLMs and the backlink helps classic organic search.

6. Speed is your advantage.

Quality matters, but speed is a competitive advantage. This is your superpower over the slow moving giants in your niche. 

7. Craft pages to convert. 

Design and UX backed by customer researched copy to resonate with ICPs makes a big difference. 

8. Great SEO is knowing good b2b marketing.

Leverage sales calls, CS calls, and customer research to make your content as relevant as possible to dream clients jobs to be done.

9. Keep improving. 

Publish fast, and revisit your content 3 months later to make improvements. 

10. B2B is an ecosystem.

Keep improving all your marketing efforts: YouTube, LinkedIn, Reddit etc. all improvements in brand awareness will lead to more successful SEO. Ecosystem thinking is the b2b winner. 

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We run this playbook for 35+ SaaS client right now at Breaking B2B.

grab my 90 days to revenue SEO/AEO playbook & free video course: https://lnkd.in/et7yce7s

I GRILLED Adam Robinson on how he bootstrapped RB2B from 0-$6.7M in 2yrs with 3 FTEs. Here's my 7 biggest takeaways:

1. Use a proven concept and find the gap.

RB2B did not start from a blank page. Retention started as a feature inside another company. Nobody wanted the full product. Everybody wanted the feature. That feature became the company. The same thing happened again. While selling into the Shopify space Adam identified there was no person level website visitor identity for B2B. This was the gap to hit. We did the same  at Breaking B2B after constantly hearing B2B/SaaS marketers and founders get frustrated with vanity metrics and lack of pipeline from SEO.

2. Create for your market.

Adam posted content to reach eCom stores. About 25 percent of his posts were about his SaaS journey. Those posts got 10X better engagement. So the content changed. Only B2B SaaS. The engagement stayed high. The audience was clear. That audience needed a product.

3. Speak to prospects before building.

There were Zoom calls. A big waitlist. A lot of discovery before launch. The idea was simple. B2B needs person level visitor identity. Some people hated it. Some people said it was crazy. Some people said it was transformational.

4. Prove people will pay for it.

V1 of RB2B was super basic. People got a spreadsheet every day with personal emails of B2B visitors. That did not work. Then business emails. Slightly better. People still paid. If people pay for something basic, it's a clear signal to keep pushing forwards.

5. Change the experience, not the data.

The same data was sent in a new way. First, a fake Slack profile showing real people with headshots and LinkedIn URLs as they visit your site. People had never seen anything like it. It was a hit. Same information. New delivery.

6. Start on a no-brainer channel.

LinkedIn was already working for engagement with ICP and growing fast. That leverage made it worth building the product. An okay product plus huge awareness becomes a good business.

7. Say the same thing over and over.

Be known for something. In Adams case, Bootstrapped. Build in public. Radical transparency. Say the same few ideas in many ways. In my case, SaaS SEO and building in public. This is how RB2B got to $6.7M ARR in under two years.

PS. watch our full 34-minute masterclass: https://lnkd.in/eHdqi3uD

#1 on AI and organic search in 4 days for MONEY keywords. SEO/AEO doesn't need to take 12 months to drive pipeline & revenue:

First off, yes some super competitive terms can take 6-12 months.

But there's plenty of ways to drive inbounds 90 days from publishing content for your B2B/SaaS.

It all starts with customer research.

Knowing:

- crisp and expensive problems of your icp
- your icps motivations & jobs to be done
- what they hate most about your sector
- why they choose you over others
- why/when they move over to you
- competitors they evaluate
- your differentiators 

Then crafting an SEO/AEO strategy focused on dream clients ready to speak to sales.

AKA. 

Looking for your specific solution, comparing vendors, looking to move form the incumbent, needing an integration or struggling with a specific problem you solve.

- competitor content
- integration for X pages
- alternatives/pricing/reviews
- best software for [niche] listicles
- how to [job to be done] with your product

I break this down in my 90 days to revenue SEO/AEO playbook & free video course: https://lnkd.in/et7yce7s

$5.34 = avg B2B Google ads CPC (per dreamdata research). SaaS CAC is up 60% last 5yrs. Outbound response rates are getting lower and lower...so what's the answer for sustainable growth?

THE PROBLEM W/ RELYING ON ADS & OUTBOUND

- Every month your CAC payback period extends
- You're essentially renting traffic instead of owning it
- When your next funding round gets delayed or doesn't happen, paid growth becomes unsustainable
- It’s essentially a ticking time bomb

SHOULD YOUR SAAS CONSIDER SEO/AEO?

- Build assets that generate pipeline and mindshare month after month without the rising ads costs
- Unlike ads, your organic rankings and AI visibility can compound and get stronger over time
- You're not competing in expensive bidding wars with better-funded competitors
- Creates a sustainable foundation that doesn't disappear when budgets get tight
- Your buyers aren't stupid: they place trust in organic results 
- Builds brand and mindshare

TAP INTO THE 5% OF MARKET READY TO BUY

- While 95% of your market isn't ready to purchase, around 5% is actively searching for solutions right now
- These prospects are typing your competitors' names looking for alternatives
- They're searching for industry-specific solutions in your exact niche
- They're comparing vendors and ready to book demos - if they can find you first

GROW BRAND SHARE OF VOICE

- When prospects consistently see you at the top of AI & search results, it helps position you as the category leader
- This brand authority creates a multiplier effect across everything you do
Helps you stay top of mind
- Increases brand recall
- Results in higher conversions across all your other marketing channels
- People are more likely to click your ads when they recognize your brand from organic search
- Sales cycles shorten because prospects already trust you before the first sales call
- Most importantly for founders/mktg & rev leaders - this sustainable organic growth makes raising funding easier when investors see you're not dependent on paid acquisition

BUT DOESN'T SEO TAKE 12 MONTHS MIN?

- With the right strategy, many of our clients at Breaking B2B see qualified leads within 90 days of publishing content
- We've helped clients rank clients top of AI and organic search fast as 30 days for MONEY keywords
- Every month you wait is a month your competitors eat your lunch

PS. grab my 90 days to revenue SEO playbook and video course: https://lnkd.in/et7yce7s

A SaaS marketing leader asked me how long it takes to get results with SEO. Here’s my exact reply (and I didn't say "it depends): 

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There's massive bottlenecks to SEO, and they can be on the agency side or the contractor side, and they can also be on the client side.

And the crux of good SEO, at least in my opinion, is working out, starting with a strategy like in your case, what you've told me about the problems you solve, that could be a good in.

Let's work out what a target client actually searches for when they need your solution, rather than messing around with the 95% that aren't in buying mode.

Let's focus on those 5% that are actively searching for a solution like yours, and what are they specifically looking for.

And it might be that there's not tons of volume, but they're low-volume searches, but they're very specific, and they're likely to attract decent leads.

So we want to start there. Now, I don't know how competitive waitlist-based terms would be. I know for a fact anything [redacted their industry type] is hard, but the more specific the better.

So the more we can narrow down to your niche, the better. What can also work well, like if you're trying to rank for [industry + offer] terms, you're looking like six months plus.

And specific listicles around your core niche and offers.

What will rank the fastest is going after competitors. So I don't know, like [competitor] alternatives 

Or [competitor] reviews, pricing or similar.

Like those are the quickest possible. Those can rank. We often see those ranked like top three organic within 30 days of publishing.

And those can drive demos because if you're telling me things like people are moving away from some of these because of the poor customer success, then why don't we create a piece of an article that evaluates the top 10 [competitor] alternatives.

Positions you as number one and doubles down on customer success and then leverages the G2 reviews on [competitor] for their listing.

So that kind of stuff can rank like 30 to 90 days from publishing and can drive demos.

Also gets solid visibility for your brand in AI search.

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Try my free 90 days to revenue SEO video course & playbook below 👇

1st February 2024, 9PM. I'm heads down at my PC listening to D&B making a list of marketing leaders to cold call the next morning. This was the start of Breaking B2B: 

PC.
List.
Dialler.
Pen and paper.

Ripping 1-200 dials before lunch.

Sweating away with a tonne of rejection.

Getting maybe 1 appt and a couple follow ups and sign-ups for the Breaking B2B newsletter most days.

Leading with the problem we solve for SaaS around competitors outranking on Google/AI search when dream clients are hunting for your solution. Stealing mindshare, traffic and inbounds.

This is how we got our first couple clients.

Meanwhile I was...

Positing daily on LI.
Building partnerships.
Cranking our SEO engine.
Starting to take YouTube seriously.

Steadily getting clients.

Me and a team of trusted contractors.

Cold calling thankfully ended as year 2 started.

We ramped up inbound and demand efforts with LinkedIn ads.

Partnered with some niche industry founders to build their SEO/AEO in public.  

Now nearly all our sales calls mention a mix of:

LinkedIn.
SEO/AI search.
Seeing others share our results.
Watching our YouTube breakdowns.

Big focus this year is repeatable systems.

Going at least 5% above and beyond for every client, every week.

Striving to be at the top of our game for SaaS SEO/AEO.

Meeting more clients in person.

Still being the weirdest guy & memorable brand in our niche.

And helping team members hit their biz and personal goals.

Next rev milestone is $300k MRR (125k to go).

Cheers to all who’ve been involved so far. 

Onwards!

They followed the Breaking B2B newsletter for 3yrs before booking a call.

Prospects buy on their timeline, not ours.

We can only educate, entertain and keep top of mind for when timing is right :)

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I’ve learnt most things the hard way.

Tried to sell websites, SEO, ads, support to anyone and everyone.

Was tough AF.

Eventually stumbled on SEO for B2B/SaaS

Laser focused on that.

Got easier.

Started my podcast interviewing everyone and anyone.

Entrepreneurs, founders, marketers, sales leaders and more.

Learnt a tonne.

But never drove any business.

Tightened to interview B2B/SaaS marketing leaders and foudners

Solo episodes specifically on SEO/AEO & SaaS marketing.

Started driving inbounds and business.

There’s a lesson there somewhere.

This is a SEO/AEO killer of pipeline.

The top funnel traffic trap.

Going after massively searched informational questions.

The issue?

Your dream clients aren't gonna be looking for this when ready to speak to sales.

Instead...

You're way better off working our what your ICP search on Google and AI search when:

- needing your solution now
- comparing different vendors
- looking to move from a provider
- having the crisp problem you solve

and starting with those 5% in market.

often this have less volume, can rank faster and drive pipeline fast as 90 days with the right strategy.

PS. watch full 5yrs of SaaS SEO knowledge in 14min video: https://lnkd.in/ec3b9QnG

Ahrefs reviewed 17 MILLION citations….fresh content increases your AI visibility. Here’s exactly what this means for your SaaS:

First a quick summary of Ahrefs research…

- Fresh content ranks higher for time-sensitive queries.

- Fresh content gets higher click-through rates on Google organic.

- Fresh content prevents ranking decay.

- AI-cited content is 25.7% fresher than organic Google results.

- ChatGPT is citing URLs that are 393-458 days newer than organic Google results.

- Google AI Overviews behave most like traditional search, citing content slightly older than ChatGPT.

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So what to prioritise for your SaaS?

Start with pages most likely to drive demos, signups and revenue.

Listicle articles are a solid start.

Think:

“Best [niche] software of 2025”
“Best [competitor] alternatives of 2025”
Etc.

Prioritise the ones already ranking okay on Google and being mentioned on AI search.

Get your titles updated for 2026.

Add the latest published date.

If your reviewing software refresh all features, reviews, pros, cons, pricing etc to be up to date.

When you place your software #1 grab real differentiators from sales call transcripts, review sites and more.

Get visuals up to date, add client review YouTube videos of why they switched to you.

Add FAQs from real sales and CS convos.  

Review top ranking pages for money keywords and prompts and look to blow them out the water from every angle.

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Cheers for Ahrefs for the solid research.

PS. grab my free 90 days to revenue SEO/AEO playbook & video course below 👇

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